will lily try to fatten up gretel? that will help a lot to achieve gretel’s obese body faster
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Sorry, no spoilers from me just yet!
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understandable! then… i just have to wait!
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Well ladies and gentlemen now we just wait for July or the next few hours this is just way to exciting!!!
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OOOOOOH it’s finally happening… hope the developer post something the next few hours i’m so excited to see gretel getting fatter!!!
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Ah sorry to disappoint but no new updates just yet. I’ve been mainly focused on packing up and moving these last few weeks, but an update is coming together. I apologize for the slowness and hope the quality of the update makes up for it.
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As long as we don’t have to wait until July everything is fine 
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Can’t wait for the Jaugust or Jeptember update :^) but no worries, the updates are usually worth the wait!
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it’s kinda hard to wait so much… especially when gretel finally started to act as a gula apostol and begin to gain weight…
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@FAsoraKB Apologies I know the wait is tough, but I’m currently doing a lot of real life work that is keeping me busy. Still I am keeping to my promised aim of this month or next. But at the end of the day you can’t rush art and it will come when it comes.
Remember to never ask:
A woman her age
A man his salary
A dev their next update date
XD.
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i understand, no problem i can wait i mean is tough but is possible, take your time, no rush, as @Altair123 said, the wait is worth it!!
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btw… sorry if i bother you… 
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@FAsoraKB Its no bother, I’m happy to have such passionate fans!
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ah ok i didn’t get the memo thanks for the input
Went and replayed in anticipation of the update, I’ve condensed the notes that I took this time around since I think this is a fantastic game that really demands some thought be given to its narrative and you mentioned you like feedback/comments. Sorry if a lot of this has been gone over closer to the .10 update and is just a rehash. Sections hidden so that I don’t take up too much of the thread, they may contain spoilers but hopefully the ‘hide details’ dropdown is sufficient for those.
Gameplay
I like the early format where you go check on the various people around town, it feels like a very organic way to interact with the world that lets the player choose their own pacing and leaves a sense of exploration. This also happens at the end of update .10 with Jim but feels like it got dropped in the middle stretch (I don’t know the exact breakpoints of all the updates) I hope it continues to be a feature because it’s a good way to at least get a quick update on your preferred character even if they weren’t a narrative focus of the update.
I wasn’t a fan of the ‘Muffin Man’ side story. It felt like it went on too long for something that wasn’t tied into the plot. I’m interested in the characters and the town, having a lengthy non-canon sequence didn’t feel rewarding to pay attention too. I like L but I think she does best when given ample ‘straight men’ to play off of since she’s certainly a ‘zany’ character and Muffin Man felt a bit lacking in that even with Sebastian’s comments.
Narrative
I like the overarching narrative. It’s interesting and feels at place in a fetish game, sinister and looming in a way that mirrors the Niss but makes them feel as though they are far from the greatest ‘Sin’ out there. If you cut out/toned down the smut side of things and repackaged it as an LN or Manga I’d probably still enjoy reading it which says a lot.
The snowstorm was a good way to add tension and introduce new characters though I worry about there now being a few too many leading too a diffusion of focus.
I don’t know exactly how Cynthia was created but seeing as she feels a bit like a being of Sin spawned by the elves (and haunted by the screams of the dying/dead) it does remind me a good deal of 40k & Slaanesh.
I liked her character in the latest update, it’s a good backstory for Sebastian and she’s easy to hate, I do hope he has the chance to grow free of her in some capacity – I really liked the reveal that she exists in his dreams (trapped, or his re-creation of her to haunt himself) I had the looming suspicion before it was explicitly stated which allowed for a sense of unease in all of her sequences which fit them perfectly.
It would be good to see Sebastian lean on the connections he’s been building for that escape. I think Gretal is actually a poor candidate for this on account of her connection with Cynthia so Sam or Heather feel like more natural people to lean on, it would be a good way to grow their characters since they already feel more fleshed out than a lot of the town and know more about Sebastian’s past albeit in different ways.
Is that an acoustic cover of Bella Ciao playing when Sebastian is resurrected?
I really like the story of the saviors, it feels classic but well executed.
Their introduction was the point when in my first playthrough the game kicked into another gear, my initial thought was that it was akin to a fun but low budget Ecchi anime but now I put it more in the category of Mushoku Tensei – telling something meaningful and with good characters but fully entwined with depraved smut (both are also about the capacity for redemption/second chances). My second playthrough made me realize just how much I like Heather as a character (will be expanded on later). Her and Sam are the ones who feel are actually questioning and probing the apostles (in both cases Sebastian) but Heather’s direct challenging of his ethics is an incredibly welcome addition. She feels like a smart character who is actually intelligent rather than just knowing random things like a lot of poorly written ‘genius’ characters. I’m curious how it wound up that Sebastian is the one who gets to lore dump to two characters but I think it works well for both his character and the overall narrative (Gretal is living in hiding and L isn’t allowed to know some things so he makes sense as the one to explain material). It has ended up with him having in my opinion the most interesting stories in the game since they’re the ones that are actually engaged in a give and take relationship (many of the characters are very well written and have good depth, but they don’t feel narratively ‘active’ in the same way) I specifically like Sam & Heather as a pair since they make for a fantastic contrast. Heather is scheming and ‘evil’ (wholly self serving as a product of tragic upbringing even to the point of killing her sister) but reforming (?) while Sam is painfully blunt and ‘good’ (wholly self sacrificing as a product of her tragic upbringing to the point of almost committing suicide), they feel like two sides of the same coin.
I like the change in Gretal but it feels too abrupt, both in the rate of gain and the level of personality change – I buy the personality change more as it gets explained by her channeling ‘Gula’ to a greater extent but still think it should have been handled more gradually. Her personality while ‘happier’ feels much more sinister. Her actions and influence feel more extreme and less consensual particularly when she attempts to influence Sebastian – something that there seems to be a strong taboo against for the three Niss. It makes sense as a form of ‘hunger’ that’s manifesting as something close to greed but I do hope to see that as a character development rather than being treated as a logical and purely altruistic change (was it meant to be her growing more gluttonous/greedy or was that just how it happened to be written?). I like that the parody apostles/Cynthia are differentiated from the Niss through the consensual/non-consensual divide, it’s a good take on the fetish that ties into the overall narrative and hero/villain sides of things but Gretal’s changes feel like they’re playing with that line.
Characters
The main ones that I feel are of note are the three sisters and Heather.
Sam, Steph, and Sophia are all fun and well written. They present variable approaches to the Niss which makes for interesting narrative fodder. Sam’s initial hostility and continual pushback and questioning is a welcome variation from the rest of the town and her softening opinion is handled well. It works particularly well with her sisters, Sophia’s innocence allowing for some of the earliest engagement and Steph’s hesitance towards the religion but acceptance of the kindness (and later rejection as the rest of the town gets on board due to her fast) make for a varied approach that I find interesting. I like all the scenes that they show up in, they consistently have something either fun or narratively satisfying. The exchange between Gretal and L after the start of Steph’s fast is a great way to explain the ethics of the Niss and how they’re different from the Parody/Cynthia before their introduction. As mentioned Sam’s questioning of Sebastian is a fun way to get lore/exposition, their relationship feels natural as it grows as does her character development.
Heather is far and away my favorite character in the game so this might be a long section. I think she’s well written, she feels like a defined person with clear motives and traits, the story between her and Sebastian is interesting from an ethical perspective, in large part because she is fully capable of challenging his code of ethics and probing it which also allows for compelling lore exchange and dialogue between the two. All of this ties into the question of the Niss & to an extent the game – are all people capable of redemption. I really hope to see her narrative directly connect with Sebastian’s in answering that question (or allowing the player to answer it) since it’s an open question as part of her development, is she changing (and is it due to the brainwashing Sebastian is engaged in, a subject that is treated with a good level of fear by all parties aware of it, L included) or is she just faking, waiting for the best chance to escape still? There’s also a nice echo to the relationship between Sebastian and Heather in her being a Beastkin & Antoinette having worked to overcome their prejudice. I am very curious to see where her narrative goes, she feels like an active participant in the story which is rewarding, I hope there’s the chance to have him go over his experience with Cynthia since his brainwashing (pleasure/pain rewiring) seems to be influential on the current ‘treatment’ of Heather and them having an exchange over that would be fun to see. Also I’m curious what L meant by saying Heather was starting to get a hang of Acedia’s powers in the optional dream journal, to what extent are others able to gain control of Apostles powers?
I find Jean-Luc deeply endearing, being somewhere between a senile old man and a toddler as a result of immortality is both funny and more interesting than him being infinitely wise. I hope he remains uncorrupted, too pure for this world.
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@DraskVorton Wowza! I always do love feedback like this, thank you for it! Thank you for the replay with notes!
Gameplay
Huh! I’m actually a little surprised on this one. I actually felt like I was over-using the “go door to door” format, which is why I tried to do it a little less in the middle, going for either more single character focused updates, or other ways to bring everyone together, like the spring festival. But I will keep in mind that perhaps the door to door sections aren’t as boring to players as I feared. You’ll be happy to know that the coming update does feature some door to door action, though in a bit of a more broken up fashion. (It’ll make sense when you see it!)
As for the muffin story, yeah that’s fair! That update seems to be a very love it or hate it type update. Some people like the more laid back nature, the more thick smut, quick gains, and first ever Apostles “Bad ending” while other people like you said, will find it too zany and just a pointless distraction from the main narrative.
Both opinions are perfectly valid, and understandable to me. For my own thoughts, I am glad I did it as it was fun, but I’m not planning to do many “non-canon” updates, if any. The only exception being perhaps the “Cook-N-Magic” section of Heather’s content. (The dream novel). We will be seeing a bit more of that every once an awhile!
Narrative
Narrative:
“If you cut out/toned down the smut side of things and repackaged it as an LN or Manga I’d probably still enjoy reading it which says a lot.” High praise, and exactly what I am going for! Apostles had a lot of inspirations that led me to it, but one of the main ones was finding that just because something was smut didn’t mean it had to be “stupid.” I hope to keep the plot just an interesting going forward as it goes alongside the increasing gains!
Snowstorm characters. Very true, and don’t worry, we’ll be losing most of them this update, save for very few that I like.
On Cynthia: You’ll have to wait a bit for her true backstory, but I think you’ll like it! Not something many will guess.
On her and Sebastian, it’s been very relieving to see so many people responding with interest to Cynthia and Sebastian’s sections! She is a very lets say “controversial” character. But most people have expressed that she makes for good villain you are meant to hate. She does add a good wrench of evil chaos to the story!
And that is Bella Ciao! You can usually tell what I was watching when making certain sections. (Money Heist). But it also fits the character of the angel well, which will become more clear as more is known about her.
It’s good to know the saviors were a turning point in the story for you! They’ve been hinted at since as early as update 0.2, so I wanted to have memorable introductions for all of them!
Sebastian does have an advantage with the most backstory to cover. Even if he hasn’t always been the Apostle of Sloth, he since the start of his life (literally) has been around major world events, and the characters driving those changes. Trust me he hasn’t even BEGUN to lore dump!
I’ll talk more about what Sam and Heather have in common, BIG BUTTS. (Sebastian seems to have a type for big butted girls who are mean to him, Niss help him if Cynthia ever gets a dumpy.)
Fair point on Gretel! One reason for the abruptness is the ‘update by update’ style of telling the story, and plans somewhat or completely changing between updates. Though part of the sudden nature of Gretel’s change is meant to be intentional, as a way to unsettle the player, make them wonder if this change is as good as it seems, or if it is a new form of insanity.
But the reason for her change and what is going on will be covered soon, a bit at the end of this upcoming update, and as a primary point of focus in the next.
Characters
Characters:
Some love for the 3 sisters is always good! I wanted each of the sisters to have a direct connection to one Apostle in particular, and for that to affect their type of gain.
Talking about the ethics of the Apostles, as you mentioned them with Sam initial skepticism, Steph’s dedication to her fast, and Heather’s consistent questioning, I think they are a very essential element to add to a story, especially one like this. It helps the writing not come across as “tone deaf”, having characters in world question with valid criticism of the main characters actions helps keep things a bit more even. If the trio of Apostles just fattened everyone up and mind controlled whoever, with no pushback or questioning the story would seem very 2 dimensional and crude.
Like you Heather is a favorite character of mine! I don’t want to give a short reply when you shared so many thoughts, but you pretty much said everything I would say to describe Heather! The question of if she is truly redeeming herself, is she faking out of pragmatism, or if it all due to brainwashing, is definitely something to keep in mind!
As for L’s comment about Heather’s control, think of it like this, the influence of Acedia is like a very sophisticated and specific martial arts move. Heather can’t possibly hope to replicate it, but she’s been hit by it so many times that she at least knows where to put her ‘guard’ up to block or lessen the blow. Especially if its from Lily, who is not nearly as quick or natural with the move.
As for the extent of non-Apostles using the powers of sin, there is something called “Lesser-Bearers” that has come up once or twice, but you’ll get more on that later!
Lastly, Jean-Luc. He was a lot of fun to write. As you might have noticed the older a character is the more backstory, baggage, secret motivations, and morally questionable things they have in their past. Jean-Luc is meant to be the exception to that rule, the guy is one of the oldest characters in the game, but he has absolutely 0 complicated aspects about him, the guy is just hangin out, occasionally getting stuck in wells.
Thank you again for putting so many of your feelings to words, I hope the next update gives you even more to chew on!
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I wonder if the pink haired elf has gotten fat since we last saw her…
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she died on the way back to her home planet
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Knowing Lily , Veronica might soon be offering a breakfast in bed menu for her pink haired patron
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Keeping all in loop, finishing by the end of June seems unlikely (Lily has a LOT of sex scenes) but I won’t let myself go too far into July. Thank you all for your patience.
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