So I typically use AI art when making a game (not that I’ve finished a game although I’ve started 3 and my motivation drops faster than a fat kid on a seesaw) and the reason for this is two-fold. Firstly I don’t have the knack for drawing or painting, I can model passably using stuff like fusion but that’s more for dimensioned parts for manufacture, not for artwork and the steep learning curve of blender has kept me firmly in the realm of making doughnuts. Secondly, I don’t have the financial backing to commission artwork for a game, the only way to achieve this is by either selling copies of a game which I can’t do without artwork (or if I can’t motivate my lazy ass to finish a game) or by the kind patronage of other same minded degenerates (which would be insane to back a game without artwork).
In saying this, this is not the topic of this topic it is merely a poorly written preamble to determine other people in the communities thoughts on the TYPE of AI art used.
For clarity, I generally use NovelAI, it’s consistent, the paywall is quite low and it is very user-friendly. One thing it doesn’t do well and, until recently, couldn’t do at all, is photorealistic models.
On my travels of the interwebs today I found a new service called Ideogram, supposedly the “Midjourney Killer”. I was fairly impressed with it so I bought the 8$ subscription after I used up my 5 free generations (It generates 4 variations on your prompted image which is neat). The results will be below but I’m curious.
What do people think of using realistic character models, albeit sprites, in place of the traditional “Anime” styled AI-generated characters? I know they’ve been creeping in a bit with that one game and the other one (I’m brutal with remembering names but the one about the magic school that controls weight gain and that new dungeon crawler).
Ultimately I think the likes of DAZ or VAM assets are a good middle ground between cartoonish and photorealism but I’m interested to see others thoughts.
First of all, hard disagree on the quality of NovelAI and other web-based AI image generators. ALL of them are vastly inferior (and more expensive, if you’re familiar with how to set up SD cheaply) to running Stable Diffusion locally when it comes to generating fats.
Regardless of if you prefer the anime or photorealistic images (though I think that most would choose the former), anime styled images are objectively safer. I believe that photorealistic AI images of this kind are already becoming questionable or disallowed on many platforms.
I doubt that you would get into any trouble for them right now, but I could certainly see a future where they become potentially problematic or banned in many mediums. Regardless, photorealistic AI images (specifically those depicting sexual or fetish content) are certainly a MUCH riskier prospect than simple anime-style images, and I would recommend that anyone planning to make a game steer clear of them.
while i think AI has definitely improved it is still usually pretty obvious to me and kind of draws me out of whatever im looking at, if you get me. i prefer ‘bad’ art that has character tbh. AI has inspired me to draw, as much of a noob as I am.
Even ignoring the potential legal issues of realistic AI in such settings (and the present ethical issues), realistic AI images are much more susceptible to falling into the uncanny valley. Anime style messes up? It’s just a “drawing”, and there’d typically be signs that would let you know it’s AI anyway. Realistic style messes up? Body horror.
That’s not to say I’d even want a completely accurate realistic style anyway; the closer we get to perfectly creating a “human” with AI, the more damning its ethical and potential legal issues become.
I’m gonna insert a reaction to rant from some other place.
Sorry dude, but unlike you I know exactly how much energy they’re using as I’m running it on my own hardware and on my own dime. Generating a ~1000x2000 pixels takes about 35 seconds for a 4070 (200W), so that’s 7000 Ws , aka 7000 J. Specific heat capacity of water is 4200 J/kg/K so this is about heating a liter of water by 1.5°C. If you generate 50, you’ve expended about as much energy as if you make a liter of tea, or heated 4 liters of water for a hot shower. Each second of 3d gaming with high quality incurs 3/4 of the power drain of generative AI use.
Also, the new datacenters being built are getting their own power supply and typically a clean one. Haven’t you heard…Microsoft or Google I think paid to restart the prematurely closed Three Mile Island NPP?
There is a zillion works out there without copyright, and using models derived from photographs is rather common.
Sorry, but you’re not going to convince me hyper-realist painting was ever a big genre, mattered, or is of any real importance when film cameras are 19th century technology.
‘Ideogram bonus’ if it’s hosted content is actually pretty good it seems at least output wise.
Regardless, photorealistic AI images (specifically those depicting sexual or fetish content) are certainly a MUCH riskier prospect
Riskier how ? Much of the fetish content we around here are making are simply women looking fat or eating. People make porn games with real imagery all the time, generally without any rights to do so too.
Do you think the minute risks of face collision as when someone uses a lora based on a real person are that big of a deal? I’ve only seen it once with a few amateur loras.
“Everybody else is doing insert shitty thing, why can’t I?”
Leaving aside the completely unrelated argument you tried to drag in (because replying to someone directly is just far too much effort apparently), the fact that you can’t see why making porn of real non-consenting people is a disgusting activity says all I need to know about you as an individual. Sometimes the “AI-bros” stereotype rings a little too true.
“making porn games with real imagery” does not equal “taking existing porn”, I don’t think I need to explain how easily that can be misinterpreted since my previous message has proven just that.
Regardless, you’re justifying the generation of realistic AI imagery - which uses a large amount of images obtained without permission to build its database - with the actions of other people also using images without permission to make porn. It may seem infantile, but I feel the need to stress the old saying: two wrongs don’t make a right.
I don’ know where you live but porn games are typically almost zero budget affairs and shooting pictures or video for a porn game has, to my knowledge, never happened.
It’s always people using the likeness of some famous porn performer for a character and then going through videos to find the right scenes.
Real-life porn used to almost invariably feature people who, in a normal society, would be someone’s wards & were exploited by the producers. The only exception were a few exhibitionists. Now we’ve got Onlyfans which made the entire thing somewhat worse and is …mostly really pathetic. Feel free to go through random OF accounts to see what went on there.
Destroying this business model, forever doesn’t seem wrong at all especially because vulnerable or foolish people who make porn are not harming just themselves but also their children, who are going to be bullied over it.
Apparently I do need to explain. I’m saying your first message could very easily be interpreted as using any real photographs, not just from porn, to make porn games. And with you justifying realistic AI from that perspective, that’s why I was so aggressive initially. The idea that anyone could support realistic AI because other people already steal random photos of people to stick in their porn games (with pornographic intent with said photos) is simply disgusting.
As for everything else, it’s clear this isn’t going to go anywhere so I’m going to cut it off here. I’m not interested in getting drawn into an extended shit flinging contest.
Okay I didn’t want to get involved in this conversation but seriously? This is literally just victim blaming. You’re saying some people shouldn’t be allowed to have the jobs they want just because they could be made fun of for having those jobs. That’s messed up, dude.
If people hated AI artists enough to go bully their children for their parent’s job, would you still be blaming the parent? If someone saw your browser history and you were bullied for being on this site, is it your fault for being here? Of course not, it’s the fault of the people that are bullying, as well as the school for not handling these terrible kids.
The problem is not the porn industry, the problem is YOU. Stop victim blaming and reflect on your actions instead of trying to make people give up doing what makes them happy.
I will absolutely hate you if you use AI art, it is horrible and it is just straight up taking people’s art and pictures and making nothing but slop with them. It should be banned along with you.
‘Nothing but slop’.
Yeah, the porn or instagram pics they were derived from were high art.
making nothing but slop with them.
99% of everything porn-related is slop. And I should know, I’ve seen quite a lot of it.
Sometimes, literary erotica will have some artistic value, or be funny, or offer some insight about psychology but mostly there’s none. It is all wank material, by definition. So are most of the games on this site.
If you have a problem with slop, what are you even doing here?
Porn is stolen all the time, has been stolen since forever, in large quantities.
There are entire sites that exist solely to facilitate that.
Thinking AI porn is especially horrific from the angle of ‘it’s theft’ is …honestly quite weird. Because I’ve never seen anyone, ever want to go scorched earth on bbw-chan or stufferdb. (if you don’t think SDB is for pirated content, you’re not paying attention lol)
If you think a work of fiction suddenly has less provisions and permissions because you’re meant to find it arousing, I’m not sure what anyone could tell you to change your mind. I hope you’re more introspective regarding this in the future, since this isn’t a point worth refuting with any serious argument or consideration.
