love rape…ah… um…thats not… thats… thats still illegal…
most of the things you mention should be ban…
aside from furries and guns…
but bro what are you even yapping about at the bottom here…
Literally none of this is true.
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Reading this thread I think there seems to be a bit too much focus on “being right”. Live and let live. At the end of the day we are all entitled to our own opinions- even if they are flawed in the eyes of others. The fact that they are flawed in the eyes of others is perhaps one of the most important things about freedom of speech. That it is not only permissible, but vital, to have conflicting views.
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This is an argument from disgust, which is a quick way to legitimize things (like “gross” fat-fetishism) you find preferential being removed as well.
There is exactly one argument of legitimacy, which is that of harm. CSAM harms children. Actual abuse harms the abused. “Everything you said should be banned (except the things I think are too far)” is just picking an arbitrary stopping point based on your own preferences, and there are plenty of people who don’t share them.
Weight gain fetish can be argued as invoking and encouraging self-harm behaviors, which is why gainer fetish content is now banned from Patreon. That is the end result of arguments from disgust - more people find this content, made and discussed on this forum, disgusting than do not. We are a fringe fetish, in the same sense as many of the things (hypnotism and dub-con material) discussed here. In fact, any content made here which invokes someone initially disliking the idea of gaining weight but slowly being encouraged or seduced or otherwise “made to like it” is also arguably dub-con content, since it involves taking someone who isn’t enthusiastically consenting and using them for fetish material anyways. And since dub-con is being considered as an “off-limits kink” even when fictionalized…
Hell, your own game can be argued as “should be banned” under these principles due to being coerced gaining based upon your description.
There is no end point. You think there is, that they will stop when they reach the thing you find personally acceptable, but there is no end point here because the real design of the moral reactionaries pushing these things is to ban it all. It’s in Project 2025, look it up. “Ban pornography and make queer existence defined as pornography.” That’s their goal.
If you want to help against CSAM, there are groups and movements explicitly intended for that purpose. RAINN, the NSVRC, and other organizations are actively working to support victims of sexual violence. That is where your efforts will be most helpful. Anti-porn groups use the victims of these crimes as a prop, and do not help them in any way. Because all they want is to censor things. Things like, for instance, the content on this forum.
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Yeah, you’re right. Honesty, the lines of right and wrong, fact and option on this subject is difficult to discern. At this point this thread is turning into a circle of arguing for no real purpose or gain. I’ve stated my options and I’m just going to leave it at that.
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This is not a thing that has happened. The only article on their site covers the same delisting information as everyone else, and no one has pointed towards any evidence of a mass LGBTQ+ content ban beyond the delisting that’s currently affecting everyone.
Yes, a good deal of queer content was delisted when it shouldn’t have been, due to authors self-tagging as NSFW out of caution. Yes, if the organizations behind this push had their way, most or all queer content would be banned. Yes, this coincides pretty poorly with the UK forcing their verification filters for 18+ content, which swept up a lot of otherwise-safe queer material based on where it was hosted. But fanning the flames and spreading misinformation isn’t helping anyone.
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hi guys itch io updated its terms and this is now the new rules. hopefully we can all respect this and move on.
its badly worded but it doesnt mean furry it just means anything with real like animals, not anthros.
its badly worded but it doesnt mean furry it just means anything with real like animals, not anthros
You guys are so naive. Doubly so if you think every game on this site wouldn’t be affected by the “extreme harm” item.
Either way, most of that stuff is completely legal. So what we have here is banks unilaterally deciding what types of legal speech are allowed, and telling other businesses that they can either comply or die. We can agree or disagree on whether that speech should exist in the first place, but everyone should be able to agree that Visa and Mastercard shouldn’t be the ultimate arbiters of what we’re allowed to express.
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Furries and anthros are “animal-related” content. It’s vaguely worded and we all know how easily that can be interpreted to include anything to do with animals. Like furries.
All the CC bullies have to do is snap their fingers and boom, furries are no longer allowed.
Like… I get that you don’t like this. it’s very fucking scary. But cow-towing to the bullshit is not the smart move, especially when we’re not powerless to stop them. It’s okay to be scared, even people speaking out are scared! We’re also angry and are not willing to put up with this shit.
You shouldn’t be willing, either.
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Yeah, if “vomit” is too intense of a fetish for them, I can’t imagine “being fattened to the size of a house” is gonna be chill with them.
I doubt it’ll be thoroughly enforced, but it will be selectively at least, and that’s gonna get some games shot.
Also “force related” is so vague, that it basically means being banned/unable to be sold at will if your game isn’t basically a dating sim with two people enthusiastically into the fetish.
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bro… how are you coming to that conclusion… theyve said they arent banning that stuff so chill
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vomit and feedism isnt the same… and itch never said theyd ban stuff like it so chill down. war is over. things are settling down.
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I’ve been in the game for 21 years. This has happened before, but on much smaller scales.
And I can read the words as “animal-related” is incredibly literal and there are people who will take it that extra step. This isn’t new, the scale is just much much bigger this time around.
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this is itch io’s rule and ive asked around and furry stuff wont be affected unless its beastiality and lets not forget furries themselves dont want to be associated with that stuff either.
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you could be right, or maybe not. It’s the issue of it being vague and open to interpretation. I would still be cautious because things like TOS and service policies are very legalistic and based on precedents more than the literal text that they posted.
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And that’s good, however, as I said:
So just because it’s true now, does not mean it won’t change. It’s vague. And people take advantage of vague language all the time for both good and bad.
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You’ve asked around? Does that mean asking people working at itch or what?
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Here’s the full relevant section of that change:
From my understanding, the content that’s “unacceptable to payment processors” only applies to games that you sell or accept donations from. I’m not one to go “well my game’s are free, so it’s actually fine”, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
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You’re missing the point.
If it came out that Collective Shout supports books with rape/incest stuff, and they defended it but still wanted video games with the same things taken down, what does that tell you?
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Watch as they move the goal posts again and the distinction slowly won’t matter.
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