Kind of off topic but tangentially related - just realised the new UK BS laws have blocked sites like CivitAI. Guess I’ll need to look into a VPN.
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This situation has developed, and free NSFW games have been re-indexed.
https://itch.io/t/5149036/reindexing-adult-nsfw-content
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we are winning but this is just a start we also have to make sure they come back on steam
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Yep you cant find my games as well, just shows how important this forum is.
But I dont think I violated any TOS, unless fat hucows is a problem with partial nudity.
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Eh?
Non-con/Rape/Coercion/Forced is illegal.
Underage is illegal.
Incest may not be illegal, but it’s biologically wrong unless it’s same-sex or non-vaginal.
Bestiality is illegal. (It’s considered animal abuse.)
Sex trafficking is illegal.
Revenge porn is illegal. Unwitting voyeurism is illegal.
So basically that entire list is illegal, minus a couple items. Dunno where you’re getting the idea that “most of that stuff is completely legal”.
Uh, the people celebrating this should probably note the tiny little sentence in there where Leaf explains that Stripe will not allow any form of payment for the things that violate Stripe’s ToS, which is “content designed for sexual gratification”
So, people who said “oh I think those things are gross so it’s OK for them to be banned”, do you see why we needed to push back on this yet?
I assume this reindexing is temporary since Stripe is getting pushed down from above by Mastercard and Visa the way Itch has been. Only a matter of time before they impose these rules on everyone else on the internet.
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The delistings will be back up within a few weeks i believe!! I hope at least!!
they most definitely meant legal to depict in fiction, not legal in real life.
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Yeah, that’s all illegal in real life, but is it illegal to depict any of them?
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Tv and movies do some of those things all the time. And I don’t mean fringe/underground stuff. I mean fairly mainstream things. So I’d say some are safe to depict and some not.
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Banning depictions of incest means Rick and Morty has got to go.
Banning rape means we lose crime dramas like Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and basically all of Law and Order SVU
There are entire action genres involving Sex Trafficking and Child Abuse, so we lose stuff like Netflix Daredevil, Taken, Dirty Harry, etc.
Beastiality is often conflated with Furry Porn, so Elder Scrolls is gone because of the Lusty Argonian Maid and any relationships involving the Khajit. Sometimes it even includes interspecies relationships involving Aliens so Star Trek and Mass Effect is out.
Game of Thrones basically depicts the entire list and it was a best selling book series and an award winning show until things started to suck.
Like yeah, I don’t think I’m misrepresenting anyone when I say we all want real life photos and video of sexual abuse and violence fucking banned along with anything depicting real people in sexual situations without their consent (Hell just look at the fucking shitstorm that was stirred last month). But the moral crusaders we’re dealing with right now aren’t interested in stopping that any more than they can use it as a wedge to push their puritan beliefs on everyone else.
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Fair point. That’s not the way I took it and it’s not the way I responded.
There is a difference, though, between including the content (as in all of echumxbiaoef’s examples, where it’s just a plot element) and glorifying it, in where it’s literally the feature of the product. (And pointedly not conflating Bestiality and Furries/Aliens/Anthros.) And I say this as someone who enjoys Free Cities for what it is.
What is the difference between including content and “glorifying” it? Remember that we are talking about banning offensive material which means we need to have precise legally-actionable language.
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I’d also point out that you’re simply wrong on some of them. Consensual non-consent isn’t illegal. You yourself said incest isn’t illegal, and they banned step-siblings on top of that. The part about “no real humans” does not in any way specify “unless they have consented”, it’s just a blanket statement. Although that one I understand and to my knowledge it predates these new rules, because it’s pretty difficult to prove unless you have the person in the video record themselves going “I consent to this,” and now you can have AI do that, too.
I’m not sure how you would even traffic humans using itch.io, unless you made a game that just said “meet me at these coordinates with all your money in cash” or something. (Actually, that would probably get some people.)
Regardless, it’s pretty clear even from context if you’ve never visited the site that itch.io isn’t a hookup site where some of the members were grabbing women off the street and raping them, so I’m not sure how you thought “doing these things in real life” was ever the goal here.
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any law on this sort of stuff is going to end up conflating furries and weird fantasy critters and bestiality though, lol. that’s how it works and even is an intended effect (see the disproportionate amount of gays and trans girls [the #1 punching bag of the latest wave of moral panic] who are furries)
honestly the overall dialogue on this issue lately has been really depressing realizing how few people understand that the law is not on their side and basically only exists to enforce arbitrary purity standards decided by old rich ppl who are personally anything but pure
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That applies only to those who have completely removed all funding options for their games. There is a step required that you need to do, especially since the majority of games seem to have donations enabled. Leaf’s blog does specify where you need to go and what you need to do, though. At least for now.
Since Stripe has banned all “content for the purpose of sexual gratification” (so anything remotely sexual), nobody’s getting their porn game relisted until they remove funding via Itch. Funnily enough, this is actually still less restrictive than the original takedown, so I’m sure a lot of games that were marked age-restricted for violence and so on are still getting relisted, which is nice, because I know some people IRL that ran into that.
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thank you for the clarifacation!
ITCHIO delisted all paid nsfw games, all the free ones are back!!
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Do you know from your end as someone with games on the site if it was an automatic or manual process? Leaf’s blog didn’t specify that part. Did your game(s) get re-listed the second you marked it as free? That info could help other people.
I do know that it has to specifically have donations disabled, however, unless that’s changed.
When a game is specifically is marked as No Donations it will be automatically relisted in search. Any that are paid or set to “$0 or donate” are still deindexed until or unless that is changed.
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