if I am coming across as defensive, I apologies, I just got done with a 6 hour slog against a bunch of cheaters in a game called Foxhole, so coming back to these forums and chatting about cheating just has me bitter, lol
you know, looking back into my old hard drive I still have the games from Paula that inspired vale city and were the whole reason the game was developed in the first place, now this has me all juiced up with nostalgia and sadness she never got to do what she wanted
Understandable. Cheating in multiplayer games like that is inexcusable in my opinion as it hurts othersâ enjoyment.
I will clarify that my calling it ânicheâ was not saying it was because of the references or it being a completed version of Ms. Rodriguezâs previous game idea. My issue was more that itâs a roguelike game in a weight gain fetish forum, which is a niche within a niche and wouldnât have the broadest of appeals. Combined with the required multiple playthroughs for what seems to be marginal progress and a strict anti-cheat, youâve got a perfect storm to turn people off to the idea.
To each their own though, that niche can enjoy the game. Not every game is for everyone, but I can certainly see how that combination would lead to some complaints or efforts to circumvent some of it.
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I agree with you on that, I just stated it was crazy to me that the second it was ported here separate from narukami92, no one would just play it as intended. The first game is a roguelike, like a game called âFor the Kingâ where you are not supposed to win first run and the game unlocks more stuff as you do more runs. The first vale city game did such things as add dragon form in NG+ after running through it the first time in a legitimate playthroughâŚor if you cheated you could do it on the first run but that really just seems like itâs breaking the loop of optimization the game intends
that also strangely enough brought a massive downturn on the main page that mimicked how a lot of people went after Ms. Rodriguez for her games being âtoo niche, as nobody would like a RPS RPG Maker game centered around weight gainâ now that I think about itâŚ
Cheating has been available even in like big budget tripleA singleplayer games for decades.
Deleting someoneâs save file for using an rpgmaker savefile editor⌠is unhinged.
Itâs unheard of. Even the worst companies on earth wouldnât code an offline singleplayer game to intentionally delete a save file if it detected cheating. Like literally. (Although admittedly they are making singleplayer games always online so they can sell players gacha, and as a result theyâve come down hard on cheating.)
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nah, many games used to do that, Banjo-Kazooie is a prime example of such a game that did itâŚin fact most old school console games had such implements once Gameshark became a thing
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I just want to be able to change my money to 9999999 so I donât have to grind and spend time where I just donât have toâŚ
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and do what? In the first game if you didnât fear combat and planned it right, basic food was an early win since doing the mushroom quest would give you 30% off instantly, which carried you over till the hot days where ice cream gives bonus xp, which gave you a fast level up period and another 30% off, then Asian, breakfast, desert, then fast food in that order once you got a bit into the game, the only time money was a problem was if you spent more than the fights you could handle cost, then you wasted time doing the low return work at the factory and night club
Wait. People still believe this?
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Exactly. Since when has cheating in a single player game been bad? Itâs your game play however you want. If you enjoy cheating then let them, at least itâs just them and not everyone else like in multiplayer. This behavior of preventing players from cheating is completely undeserved. If anything this makes people want to stay away
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shhhhh, we use it for context here
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i feel some devs forget that at the end of the day they are making porn games. people play these game because it porn and they wanna masturbate to porn games. Locking the point of the game behind a barrier and preventing the desperate and horny from accessing the content for which they came ( 
) for is⌠a choice, to be sure.
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Iâd like to see people justify cheating in tribal hunter or some bullshit, since pointing out how ridiculous it is to endlessly scream about not being able to cheat and ignore the game for what content it has only leads to people trying to justify cheating
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Iâm not sure I really understand your argument here. Cheating doesnât have to be justified. As long as itâs not a multiplayer game where theyâre ruining others experience, the only one negatively affected by cheating is the cheater themselves. Itâs their choice to ignore content good or bad if they feel itâs the only way theyâll be able to enjoy the game. Thatâs just how life goes. And if the dev decides to quit because of that, then Iâm sorry but that sounds like his problem.
People will always find a way to cheat, no single person can stop that. Iâm willing to bet hundreds or even thousands of people have cheated their way through the Souls games with âeasy modeâ mods but has that ever stopped Miyazaki from continuing to make games? No it hasnât. Because cheating is just a fact of reality that you have to accept when you go into game dev.
The reason people are so miffed about cheating with this game in particular is because the dev adamantly refused to listen to feedback about what players found frustrating with the mechanics in Vale City and doubled down on those frustrations in Arcade, and then gets upset when players try to cheat around said annoyances (he was also rather passive-aggressive about the whole thing, which didnât help his image in peoples minds). He is perfectly within his rights to ignore criticism, double down, and stick to his artistic vision. But he cannot also then turn around and complain when players continue to cheat around things he refused to address. You canât have your cake and eat it too.
Ultimately what it comes down to is a matter of fun. If a player isnât having fun they will either A: drop the game entirely, or B: cheat to continue forwards. And if a game isnât fun then thatâs an issue that falls on the devâs shoulders. And if he chooses to not make changes or compromises then you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of that decision.
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you know what? my point is simple: the fact that everyone on these forms found the lack of cheating to be THE reason they did not want to play these games and decided to make that so public and necessary to their discussion IS the problem. Now that I called it out after coming back to these games and completing them (they aint that hard) and reading back and finding it all so silly that the lack of cheating is the thing that broke it for so many people on this website. Even though the posts are all still there about how yall were miffed at being unable to cheat easy and promptly ignored all questions or posts about the gameâs content or how to get past parts LEGITIMATLY, you are now all coping by justifying cheating and claiming my simple point of âpeople stupidly decided lack of easy cheating made this game badâ is somehow hard to understand
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This has been said and explained in multiple ways to you and I feel like you have ignored multiple users explaining to you why they disliked an aspect of how the developer handled their game. Or the specific points about âcheatingâ and a developer dictating the âcorrectâ way to play something. You clearly are of the opinion that the game is great and you enjoy it. Good Iâm glad. People not likely something or playing differently than you shouldnât take away from your enjoyment or opinion on the game.
Iâm really not looking to argue with you but you have multiple comments over the past four days like this. I donât know who is making the case that the game is bad because you canât cheat or that not cheating is the reason they canât or wonât play. It may be the thing that keeps some players from doing so but itâs not the cause.
The cause of some people coming out and actively mentioning âcheatingâ and expressing the frustrations around how it was handled is based on the actual issues that lead people to cheat. I donât believe any large majority of people look to actively go and cheat as a first result to a problem they have in a single player game.
You have to look at the problems that lead people to cheat, edit saves, game files. The problems were identified as things like, The game was too grindy, too hard, not as accessibile as some would like, too long, core gameplay loop isnât fun, etc. Now there are plenty of people that want to enjoy something however they can depending on the situation (especially in a single player game), but a lot of these were common concerns some people had and voiced to the dev to my knowledge. (At least in regards to the original Vale City game(s) that came out in parts before eventually being released as a whole.)
Feedback was given and the dev had a vision and way they wanted the game and things did not change in a ways that helped alleviate concerns some players had in regards to how the game played. Thus some players turned to cheating to solve a problems that the developer did not see as issues. (to be fair some are likely to turn to cheating as soon as the problems arise but either way the developer felt the way the game was being developed was fine). When cheating was a thing that was being done by any percentage of players. The dev took an anti cheating stance, actively blocking ways for players to cheat and going as far and mocking and setting up things to actively harm or stop the playerâs experience if the detection of common save editing was detected.
There are many ways this could of been handled, and a dev can always make decisions to not compromise their vison while trying to meet certain needs of the players. However, the stance that was taken did nothing but alienate some of the player base or people interested in the game. While actively mocking said people. That does not go over well in a single player game the only value in that decision is one personally for the dev, or I guess people that feel like their accomplishment or enjoyment is hurt by how others chose to play a single player game.
Iâm one of these individuals the gameâs are not too hard for me but they donât respect my time. They feel overly grindy and inflated in time for the shake of it. I donât get enjoyment out of overly grindy things in fetish games. I have no issues when the core gameplay loop is fun and I feel like the game respects my time and rewards it. This was not an example of that for me. When seeing nothing was changing after multiple parts/versions released I was interested to see the story and play through the game but not in a way that would of turned me away from the experience. So, I would turn to cheating in money to be able to play at whatever pace I wanted. I wasnât actively looking to make fights instant win or become super over powered but I wanted to take some of the grind away. And was met with the usual things. So, I just simply edited the games code directly, it didnât stop me from playing nor did the anti cheat measures.
I am glad to have played through vale city once but I can say it wonât be something to come back to as the game is just not for me with how some things are designed, the time investment required, and the reward for doing so was just not what I wanted. I think there are plenty of good things about the game but it has its issues as well and the clear want of the dev to force the player to play the way they want didnât leave a good impression on me as a whole. When checking out Vale City Arcade I had similar feelings pop up again and was met with the same response on the devs end.
Iâm happy you and others enjoy the games there are plenty of good things one can say about the games. Obviously, some donât enjoy them or donât like certain aspects of how they were designed. But I have yet to see a single person say the game is bad simply because cheating isnât allowed. That feels like a complete glossing over of the larger issue of why cheating is happening often in the games to begin with. And you only see the response and frustration that the decision to not listen to feedback and double down on the only solution players could come up with themselves to the problems they had, cheating.
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Iâve been keeping my point on the silliness of outrage because of lack of cheats because I donât want to be meanâŚbut fine, we will go with the arguments on the morality of cheats in both games:
the games arenât that hard, and everyone who thinks it is ok to cheat in them is just too impatient or unskilled to put in the 30 minutes needed to plan ahead or look at the information given to them in order to do what they need to, and since they lack those two things they donât get that this game is designed to be looped so you inevitably hit a massive wall you CAN overcome if you have planned accordingly or just take the second loop and be done in half the time cause you are getting NG+ bonuses
you want to cheat? sure, but donât be shocked you look like an idiot for cheating at a single player game because âdev man bad, does not appeal to my inability to playâ, and once you are well and truly fine with cheating in a single player game, itâs a hell of a lot easier to be complacent in cheating in MP games or real world endeavors. The same mental gymnastics used to justify cheating in this game sound like wordswapped testimony from financial fraud cases where the defendant takes the deal and simply says âwell since they donât pay us fair it is morally fine for me to steal more from themâ
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This is what prompted me to say something to begin with. You seem to be really upset about this in general and seem to want the last word within the conversation. And if someone is not saying your right they are disagreeing with you in your mind and you feel the need to belittle others while making no valid point. I said quite a few things none of them were particularly saying anything you said was incorrect or looking for an argument. As you have your opinion and are entitled to it. But youâve chosen to ignore anything Iâve said in my post to bring up morality for some reason. And quite frankly ableist arguments about how things are for you so clearly everyone should view things the same. While generalizing entire groups of people with honestly confusing comments.
As I had indicated originally, your posts seem to just skip by any discussion anyone would be trying to have with you for you to bring up things unrelated. Or responses to points no one was making.
Okay?
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no, my first post was on how silly it was to be outraged at the cheat blockers in this game, I had ONE interaction that did not sidetrack from that, with everything after that being âbut itâs ok to cheat because game dev badâ, and now because enough sidetracking has been done, suddenly I am the one at fault? no, thatâs not how this works
Do you actually read the posts you reply to? Judging by your responses Iâm not entirely convinced you do given that this is now the 4th time youâve brought up something unrelated to the discussion at hand. You just seem to be mad that people have a different opinion than you about this game and are using this âcheating issueâ as a way to feel superior.
I and others have repeatedly explained why people felt the need to use external means to get through the game. If you donât think the games are hard or grindy, then hey thatâs wonderful for you! But thatâs just your experience. People are allowed to voice their opinions on a game if they disagree with you. These are discussion forums. You seem bizarrely upset about this for some reason. Calm down and argue rationally please.
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