Apostles (Latest Update 0.12.1: June 2026)

This is a little long and rambling, but I felt the urge to write this out so I’m going to ask you to bear with me.

I’m glad that we got to see Gretel truly healing. It’s all fine and good to see her able to enjoy herself, but it’s another thing entirely to have her confront serious issues head on and not flip out because they are hard. Even better when the issue is not only denying her help, but lashing out in ways that actively makes her “condition” worse. Sebastian almost certainly doesn’t deserve her, but he’s stuck with her now. Luckily, she’s starting to mature enough to help him cope (with the day-to-day pain, at least). It’s also lucky for him that he let Gretel in, because if he didn’t then L would have called him out in what would have been a much less productive conversation.

Speaking of L, she really feels like a child that is witnessing her parents on the edge of a divorce. It’s stunning how Sebastian and Gretel had a massive shouting match right in front of L and assumed that she wouldn’t notice. Her mental block was specifically about not understanding talk about Gretel being the Apostle of Wrath, not that the people closest to her are having a massive shouting match across the table! Both Sebastian and Gretel seem to dismiss her out of hand and think that she just needs to be given some jingling keys and she’ll be out of their hair. I don’t even think that they realize how casually they dismiss her, considering the fact that they are surprised whenever she shows any level of foresight/perceptiveness.

You would think that L figuring out that Gretel/Willow is the Apostle of Wrath multiple times would make Sebastian give her some credit, but he just put a memory block and moved on. This is probably due in part to the fact that L insists on acting like a manic pixie dream girl, but even then he should care a little more. She might choose to act extremely immature, but she is incredibly capable and I don’t think anyone really knows exactly how capable she is. Probably not even herself!

poipoipoi1987 said that the villagers seem to be wrapping up their arcs and becoming samey, and I think that there’s some truth to that. However, I think that has a few narrative purposes. One, it helps to give a welcome contrast to the darker aspects of the story. Two, it is important to show the Apostles achieving the good that they claim to do so they are truly morally gray and not just power tripping hypocrites. Third, it allows the town to take on a new role: supporting the Apostles in their time of need.

The biggest example of my third point being Fresha and Dana. While most of the time was spent on getting them to interact with the rest of the town, they were also able to give back to her as well. When she coddled Ed and Al, they told her flat out that they are good for nothings that only do the bare minimum to get a little money before tearing off on another scheme. They admitted to stealing and she still wanted to bake them cookies! That teaches them bad lessons! Equally important is when, with Sam’s help, they again called her out for allowing Sebastian to treat her like that. They were right on the money with her acting like a battered wife (more evidence for L being the child!). When she needed strength the people she helped were there for her, and that emotional support fueled her character growth. Plus, Gretel kept saying more than she should have in front of her friends, reinforcing Sebastian calling her out for being unable to keep her true Apostleship secret.

The biggest bombshells of the update came from Claire and the Saviors. The parody Apostles being unable to be interrogated shows a level of scary foresight on the part of whoever made them. Envy’s lantern brings up a lot of interesting implications, from being a way to force knowledge from someone, to being able to then push those things onto others. Finding out that doing so counts as an attack to Jean-Luc’s armor brings it’s own implications. Does aging count as an attack, and therefore is the source of Jean-Luc’s immortality? Would forcibly removing it count? Does harmful knowledge count? It certainly gives food for thought.

Those things absolutely pale in comparison to Alex being concerned about Claire’s overuse of Envy’s symbol, and Claire’s dismissal of Alex’s concerns. That opens up the possibility of overexposure transforming the user into the new Apostle. While it might seem to be a stretch based on this alone, there is another, less ambiguous case. Willow never could get rid of her Sin until very recently. It only began when she found a period of stability during the Muffin Update, and felt confident enough to use the symbol of Gluttony on herself to help Steph. This not only furthers my point about the new dynamic between Auburnwoods and the Apostles, it is also when Willow began to replace her Sin. She is becoming the Apostle of Gluttony, and the Gretel she wants to be, because she is replacing the symbol she uses. Claire is in danger of becoming the very thing that she is fighting.

Now, I have a few brief things to say about the fine citizens of Auburnwoods. Fresha and Dana desperately needed to be fleshed out more, and I’m very happy with the way you delivered. Bel/Anya, Heifer/Mistress, and Maya/Jacob are all fantastic pairings that I want to see more of. Sophia and Victoria are so incredibly bad at hiding how deeply excited they are to be with each other that I don’t know why they even bother attempting to hide it, but they are so cute together that I’ll allow it. Plus, it highlights how truly alone that L is.

While she cares so deeply for the people around her, she doesn’t get the same care back. While Gretel and Sebastian might have very few people to confide in, they at the very least have each other, and L’s love when they need it. If Sebastian is alone, then it’s by choice. Neither of them extend the same love and care towards L. She is excluded from the truly important decisions, and she hates it. She clearly expresses both her love for the other Apostles, and her frustrations at them hiding things from her. I’m willing to bet that she doesn’t care about what the secrets are, she just wants to be included to have someone. Her parents(?) don’t recognize her. She’s slowly losing touch with her girlfriend, the female submissive feedee from when we were given four options for sexy time a while back.

The double fake outs showed something else important about this update. Namely, that you recognized that you had been using the same formula the past few updates and that we couldn’t just leave Sebastian to suffer at the end again, even though he was more like Sebastard this update. The Asma sequence was a nice way to showcase the different Apostle powers, and how easy it is to abuse them. The ruthlessly pragmatic way that Claire takes down her targets and even risks mind wiping victims sets her as a more active Sebastian. After that, it made me happy to see both that L is once again far more observant than people give her credit for, but that we finally got to see Sebastian open up more and have some tension release for the poor sod. We even got a great title card out of it.

Okay, I’ve spent far too long talking about things that aren’t fat fetish content on the forum for a fat fetish game, so I’d like to finally turn to the sauce. First off, I just adore Jacob and Maya’s relationship dynamic. Jacob might not be the biggest fan of his fat, but the pampering is a different story. God, he’s living the fucking dream and knows it. Yet despite his wife turning him into a lazy fatty that she does everything she can to pleasure, he still finds a way to take a semi-active role by locking Maya’s head in his fat. Something about that just gets me going.

Mistress gentle doming her Heifer is also such a wonderful dynamic. The light teasing combined with the intimate feeding is just mmmmph! Plus, the passion conveyed by cj’s sprites in just incredible. The belly rubs and the titty sucking are phenomenal. Oh my god I need more of them. Contrasting them nicely is the town’s biggest and least redeemable bitch, Dina! Both her slob and her “clean” sprites are superb. I love a good mess, but I also love showing off her stretchmarks and body hair. Her gaining more rapidly than anyone the Apostles met before coupled with her demanding attitude almost makes me wish I were there. The reality would be awful, but that’s why we have fetish games!

Next up we have the great ass gainers. Sam’s fat fucking ass hanging out when she is looking through the crate is inspired. Her section is short, but thankfully we have Asma. I’m a sick enough fuck to enjoy her entire section, even the murder parts. Her greed and egomania manages to sell it well enough to make me overlook how disturbing it is. Well, the downright exceptional sprite work of cj put in a lot of work as well. The sheer sizes of her and the rest of Greed’s collection are legendary.

Of course, the crown jewel is the Heather section. The humor was on point, the game play was engaging, and the selection of fetishes was wonderful. Once more, I have to give cj credit, he somehow manages to get better each update, and I suspect black magic. It also just felt fun, which is surprisingly rare. There’s a lot of interesting, hot, and cathartic moments, but not much that just feels fun without strings attached.

I know that this has been more of a disorganized ramble then a proper review, but I just wrote what felt appropriate. It feels a little weird to write about L so much and not about Gretel and Sebastian despite the update largely about them, but I like to focus on things that other people don’t cover as much so there’s some variety. There’s more that I could say, and I might make another post about the update down the line, but for now I’ll leave it with a resounding A+ for making me care enough to write this out.

P.S. If you end up making a character named Father Zepp boring, I’ll have words with you!

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Thank you so much! After so much time spent waiting, I knew I had to fire on all cylinders, so I’m happy to learn the final product is regarded highly!

Good to know! I’m not sure if I ever shared this, but I make most updates on a scene by scene basis, usually in the order of “whatever I feel like making”. So some scenes like Sebas and Gretel in the graveyard were made in the first weeks of development, even though it’s so close to the end.

This has the advantage of me working on what I feel passion for, but the disadvantage of near the end, where it sometimes becomes hard to stitch all those scattered scenes together. I don’t want to undercut a tragic scene by putting it too close to a comedic one, or vice versa.

Case in point, I was somewhat considering having Asma’s story be told in individual scenes, which would be inter spliced in between Gretel and the milf patrol going door to door. But I realized that doing that would be too much tonal whiplash, going from Gretel’s wholesome story to Asma’s tragic corruption, back and forth back and forth, would have ruined both sections!

Awesome to hear it! I wanted to up the challenge a bit so people can’t just breeze by, but I’m glad to know it was still fun! And I highly recommend to you and anyone else playing to head through again, I put in TONS of little secrets and Easter eggs. I may make a list sooner or later, and give people clues! (These aren’t major lore events just fun little scenes for people doing unorthodox things during the tests!)

I too am excited for this! While she has seen most of the villagers already (and their weight) she still will likely be shocked by just how wide spread it has all gotten! And your hopes to see her “hunt” again should be realized!

Don’t worry I TOTALLY have a plan for there! (I’ll figure it out)

All great ideas! And the feedes getting more into it is certainly something I should start to get into more. I want summer to really have some people embrace and enjoy their gains!

And all these couples are in luck, the next big festival at white well, will be the day of flowers, which is the apostles equivalent Valentine’s Day!

All good questions! But ones you’ll have to wait and see the answer for! Except Cynthia getting fat, see that’s what makes her the TRUE villain of the story, no wg arc.

Haha, thank you! I love having him around, one of my favorite side characters to write. He is pretty much meant to poke fun at my own writing a bit, where all the “old” characters, Gretel, Sebas, Cynthia, Clair, they all have tragic backgrounds and for many secret plans and schemes.

Jean-Luc? What you see is what you get! He’s just happy to be there, hanging with his friends!

Thank you again for playing and giving such kind thoughts! Every comment Really does mean a lot.

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For my criticism on the villagers, I want to be clear that I still enjoy them as accessories or as supporting casts to the apostles themselves. They work when they bounce off the MCs and reveal more about them, and it will be interesting to see all of their reactions when the truth or partial truth will be revealed. But as standalone characters I don’t find most of them all that compelling anymore.

I think when a large part of your core identity is being miserable, you lose a lot of your identity when you stop being so. They kinda blend together a bit now. I get it though, these are at the end of the day regular people with regular lives, with simple dreams. I just wonder how much juice is left with those characters now

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I get it, most of them are far along on their character arcs, and in the cases of Jacob/Maya and Sophia/Victoria I don’t see them changing much. I would like to note that Thomas will likely cause a fair amount of drama, plus I can see Steph rebounding so hard that it causes quite a bit of concern. Other than that though I feel like your point stands.

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I’m gonna test update during weekend :slight_smile: from start to end :slight_smile:

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Bruh THATS WHAT IM SAYING and waxer knows i told him!

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It’s as if they’re… Homestuck.

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Hello doing quickie play of new update before giving solid play-through from very start. Anyway found small spelling mistake. Gretel/Willow instead saying “corners” said “cornors”. It is during her talking to Sebas when 2 of them sit over cherry blossoms.

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Trying so hard not to read through any of the spoilers for this update. Can’t believe it’s been 2 years (wow)

Curious about the general consensus from everyone who’s played the new update; Should I go back all the way to the beginning again or does it feel easy to pick back up?

(And what’s the average run-time from start to end of current content? Might have to schedule around it if I start over lmao)

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You tell me. I haven’t played this game not even once and I had to disable notifications to avoid spoilers for the moment. I do have a similar question about the runtime.

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@superaguilar2002 Oooh, looks like you had some interesting interpretations of characters coming from a few different angles! I’ll hold back from responding in depth to every thought, as I feel like a writer shouldn’t try to tell you ‘how to feel’ about characters, but I added in some notes to go along with your comments!

That was intentional! Though while of course not the primary reason for Sebastian’s falling mental state it did, in a way, contribute to it.

He wasn’t out to sabotage Gretel’s mental health recovery, and he really is happy she is doing so much better. But at the same time, it was outside ‘his plans’ which set him further off balance. Which leads to a contradictory mindset for him.

TLDR Don’t ever throw Sebastian a surprise party, cause no matter how great it is, he won’t like it!

Indeed. As Lily talked to Gretel about in the beginning of the update, Sebastian has just always been better at hiding how he’s feeling.

Thank you! I take this all as high praise!

(Goodness gracious I for the life of me can’t get the quote button to work, this next section will be in response to what you said on Heather)

Sorry to hear that Heather wasn’t quite what you were hoping for her. While I do hear what you are saying, it likely may be the route I’ve had for her character isn’t the one you might have wanted.

She may simply be more flexible than you are giving her credit for, or at least more practical. If she thought there was even a 1% chance she could stay skinny and/or escape, she’d be going after it. But there’s not, at least not at that time, so she will make the most of things, and enjoy herself.

Which she really does do, after growing up in the literal gutter, she can quite enjoy the rooms and luxury she is in, luxury few people in the world ever get to experience. Sure it’s still a prison, but Heather has been to a lot more brutal prisons, so this is a vacation by comparison.

And if there’s a bit more meta reason, as shown with the now aborted “red route Heather” having a character constantly aggressive and shutting down anything the missionaries try to do…it’s just boring.

If Heather had refused the truce with Lily, and just said, “Nah fuck you, I hate you.” Then there’s no more update to go through and that’ll just be it.

The irony of this is not lost on Sebastian. Especially since he and his wife headed a court famous for trying to stop the slave usage in the courts.

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Thank you! I’m so glad you enjoyed it, and the fake outs were some of the most silly fun I’ve had with apostles for awhile!

As it might be easy to guess, he is among my favorite to write! It helps that he somehow ended up the “Forest Gump” of a lot of events, always around to witness important events, even if he wasn’t critically involved until very recently.

As for sympathy for Sebastian, that’ll likely be a line many players will fall on either side of in future updates, and I won’t blame anyone for whichever side they land on. Especially since, more likely than not, players will dance between the two as Sebastian himself has a foot in the camps or both Victim and Bastard.

Glad you enjoyed! Don’t worry we’ll get some more romance between the two during their dinner date section! I considered trying to squeeze it in this update, but CJ helped me realize it would be better to have a more dedicated section, over something rushed. So expect even more Heather fun right at the start of the next update!

Haha, yeah they definitely hit the “enemies to lovers” “forbidden romance” and “power imbalance” tags well.

While I’m not sure on them ever becoming soulmates, it is comforting to have 2 broken people able to find some sort of balance against one another.

Thank you! I had fun writing the little feedbag intro, as a way to show Heather’s own “used to this” aspect of being dropped deep in the WG world.

As for Heather’s original fate, originally all 4 of the adventurers were going to be one and done villains, they’d be captured, fattened rapidly to immobility, dropped somewhere, and we’d never see them again past update 3.

I think we can all be happy I enjoyed writing Heather and her brother so much more!

I didn’t really have a specific plan with Heather’s initial experiments (my key of writing 101, always pretend to have a plan!) but I think it’s hit a good balance. There’s still some clear experiments going on, but hopefully no one is expecting some dark body horror coming up.

Nice to see a Dina fan, even as her personality and body odor reach new heights of foul! And I had some help writing her scenes from another player.

I do have some stuff planned for her, both in terms of another scene coming up and longer story plans, and while she will go through some changes…she will likely keep most of the “Dina Charm” for awhile at least.

I haven’t really decided my full plan for Violet yet now that Gretel has taken her off ice, but should be fun to figure out! Since Gretel will need a new sin battery for Gluttony, we can guess what it will involve!

Huh, I admit it’s not something I was really thinking of, but it’s a fair thing to point out! While the game was always about characters healing from painful pasts and such, I don’t want them all to get too “samey” as you have pointed out.

I will have to work on keeping each of the characters distinct, even after their big redemption moments have happened.

Which I think can lend well to some interesting updates. So many updates are focused on 1 or 2 characters from the village having their focused section be about them overcoming their past struggle, now that is over (for most) we can see some very different kinds of updates, where the point isn’t just improving a character flaw and reconnecting with others.

Those two actually left town last update, but they will show back up again briefly in the future many updates down the line.

Thank you! I really do love whenever I have a chance for Heather or Sam to grill Sebastian on some questions.

Or for the case of this update, Gretel and Sebastian talk about several things that they know, but the player is not, and can pick up the details naturally from their conversation, like with “Aunt Eve.”

Awesome! Both girls had some minor character changes, Lily growing more mature and Gretel just GROWING so it’s good to now they are still fun to interact with!

I’m glad you like it more than mediafire did, as I think that’s what brought down the file!

But in all seriousness, thank you. I enjoy looking around for the music for these sections, trying to find something that will fits best with the scene im trying to create.

Fun fact! Gretel’s main theme is a piano solo, Lily’s is a violin solo, and Sebastian’s is a cello solo. Whenever two of them are on screen I try to make it a duet of their two instruments. Ie, when Sebastian and Gretel argued it was a piano and cello, when Lily found Gretel getting lunch out of town it was a violin and piano duet.

And of course the main menu theme that plays whenever the three are together, is an elegy for piano, cello and violin.

Thanks again for all the feedback, and I’ll be sure to keep your criticism in mind going forward!

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You know me, I like my games heavy in fat and heavy in LORE in equal measures!

In all seriousness, I’m happy to hear your reports that you enjoyed the update, especially the Gretel and Sebastian dynamic!

I think I talked about it months ago, but in every update there is “that scene” the one the whole update is largely about, and I spend weeks writing and rewriting it. The graveyard scene was most certainly “that scene” of this update.

Hard as it was, it seems like it came out well in the end. With the needed catharsis of Sebastian letting his walls down near Gretel, if only a little bit.

If she had, mature lily perhaps could have joined the MILF squad around town!

Don’t worry though, the fact that Lily is still under mental blocks to not see certain things has not been forgotten, and that will be addressed next time likely, and Lily can show just how mature she is with the news.

All credit goes to CJ on sprites! He does amazing work as always!

And thank you for your patience! Hopefully the next update won’t take as long, and we will hopefully have a better foundation for Project Atlas to get those updates out quickly.

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no, i agree with you. Red heather wouldnt be too interesting. perhaps my analysis of heather is a bit skewered this update. you DID showcase some of her new trauma this update with the tf scene and to be fair, this is kind of like a vacation for her even with the new trauma. Perhaps i was expecting too much introspection from an erotic segment i was just meant to enjoy. maybe its just me being in conflic with my own fetish because of how cruely it can be used and forced by somone like sebastian… huh maybe in a way sebastian is a bit like me… the way he finds the parody apostles so agravating the same way i find him so, because of consent and who deserves what. how they use the fetish in ways sebastian doesnt aprove. (obviously they are also heinous criminals arming and supplying a cartel for other entirely different operations and probably a destabilizing force meant to obscure plans from a different party but the fact they are using specifically his fetish maybe be terribly infuriating for sebastian but hey, that may be just a bit of projection in my part.)

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Nice, some interesting insights for sure from your replies. I always saw a possibility of heather and sebastian possibly even settling down together or something, but I guess that’s a huge ask for both of them, especially sebastian. Of course we’ll see what happens with them anyways, I put soul mates in apostrophes for a reason, because you don’t have to be soul mates to be deeply in love. I’ll hold out hope for it, but either way, excited to see where it goes. I trust that you’ll write it well, even if it ends somberly or they end up splitting at the end of the game.

With Dina, I always knew she would have to change considering the themes of the game, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed she at least has a kind of tsundere type bitchiness even once she becomes better. Violet too.

And yeah, very happy to hear the possible plans for violet. Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed her stuff uptill now, and I hope we get even more clarity about what exactly she was doing before the switch, but it’s good to see her join the action.

And of course the biggest mystery is why lily suddenly decided to gain all of a sudden, and what that even means for a person who can seemingly change their body and others at will.

Anyways, I’m assuming you’ll move on to project atlas after this once you’re ready, so will be excited to see how that goes as well.

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I did a funny again.

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@Gandulf

It should be mostly self-contained, so long as you recall the general rundown of the characters. Though there are several things that might make more sense with the whole story played recently, especially one character who returns despite not having been seen in several updates.

@Kurikinton

If it’s your first time playing, will definitely say start with a new game! As for the question on total runtime…not sure! Probably over 20+ hours at this point, maybe 30+? Regardless hope you enjoy the game if you give it a shot!

Sorry for the slow reply on this for both of you!

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Dang, this nearly made me do a spit take, but it got a good giggle out of me. Took me a second to realize why Huell was hidden in the background, then I realized it was a Mayor Jacob cameo!

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he’s the sole victim of the daily feast of course! he had to take a power nap after that.

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I made this after playing the latest update.

https://www.deviantart.com/vrosen12/art/A-Way-Out-Apostles-fanart-1341889266

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